Saturday, May 1, 2010

Conflicting Evidence or "Who's Your Daddy"!


Conflicting Evidence

Searching for the father of Nathan Thomas Ingle b. bef.  1800 d. b. 1830 - probably in the Jefferson Co., Ky area.  Nathan was married to Nancy Hancock on 29 Mar 1821 in Jefferson Co., KY.  I have never been able to find him enumerated in a Census, which leads me to believe that he was not the H of H in the 1820 census and was deceased prior to the 1830 census.  One brother/cousin was married to a Booker female in 1819 in Jefferson Co., Ky;  sister/cousin married a Hancock male in 1820 in Jefferson Co., Ky.  Her marriage record show her father, William Ingle, as giving consent for this marriage.  Three of his brothers/cousins were married to Chastain sisters between 1824 & 1830 in Henry Co., Ky .
OR
Who's your Daddy!
There seems to be two different possibilities for Nathan's  father, each with their own evidence.  I will start with:
1.)  Henry George Ingle b. Aug 1761 in Va. d. aft. 1840 census in Russell Co., Va.
I have never found a record for Henry George Ingle farther west than Floyd/Perry Co., KY.

2.)  William Engle/Ingle b. ? d. bef. Sep. 1823 - Below is the Inventory Settlement for William together with a post I put on MyFamily.com for a site I had at the time on the Ingle Family:
I am extremely excited about this find.   I believe this is the William Ingle that I have been searching for that was in the 1810 & 1820 Henry County Kentucky census.   
 You will note that Henry Ingle was the Admin. of William Ingle's estate and I believe that this is Henry Payne Ingle.   Although there were only initials for the people that purchased items from the sale of his estate I believe we know who those people are:
 W. Ingle - William Howells Ingle
N. Ingle - Nathan and/or Neeley Ingle
H. Ingle - Henry Payne Ingle
P. Ingle - Mary "Polly" Chastain-Ingle wife of William Howells Ingle
B. Handcock - Benjamin Han(d)cock husband of Winney D. Ingle
 I feel that this Inventory and Settlement goes a long way in substantiating the fact that this William Ingle was the father of the aforementioned Ingle family members rather than Henry George Ingle.   I also believe that there is a familial relationship between Henry George and this William Ingle, perhaps brothers (?)
 Another reason this seems logical, to me, is that ALL of these Ingle's were in the same area, Jefferson, Henry & Oldham Co's., KY, at the same time.   Henry George Ingle doesn't appear to go any farther west than, Floyd, Perry & Letcher Co's.
 I'm really sticking my neck out with this surmise in the hope that I can get you all thinking and brainstorming and hopefully get some constructive feed back.   Please take the time to look at this and give it some thought.
 I would like to acknowledge Patsy McCarty of the Louisville Genealogical Society for so graciously taking her time to go to the Jefferson County Circuit Court Clerks office, digging through the old book and transcribing this for me.   They wouldn't let her make a photo copy of the pages involved, so I have sent a request to them to see if they will send me a copy of the original.          
Jefferson Co, KY Inventory & Settlements, Book 4, June 1815 - Dec 1823
[Inventory of Property]
P. 477 - September County Court 1823, Jefferson County Set. This day Nathan Marders, Jacob Hite and Wm Parker came personally before me, one of the Commonwealth's Justices assigned to keep the peace for the County aforesaid, and made oath that had appraised the estate of William Ingle, decd, to the best of their judgement of all articles shown them by the admr . Given under my hand the 4th day of October 1823. Ben Head JCC
p. 478-479. We the undersigned Commissioners being first sworn agreeable to an order of court which issued from the Clerk's office of Jefferson Co. have this day appraised all the personal estate of William Ingle, decd., given under our hands this 18th Sept 1823. Signed - Jacob Hite, Nathan Marders, Wm L Parker
[Follows a list of items from farm and household; no slaves]
Jefferson Co. Settlement September County Court 1823 Ordered that William Parker, Nathan Marders, Jacob Hite, and William Hite or any three of them being first duly sworn do appraise the slaves if any and personal estate of William Ingle, decd, and make report to Court. A Copy Test Worden Pope, Clerk
p. 480 State of Kentucky At a County Court held for Jefferson County in the State aforesaid at the Court House in Louisville on the 13th day of Oct 1823. The within and foregoing inventory and appraisement of the estate of William Ingle dec'd, was returned to said court and ordered to be recorded and is recorded. Test. Worden Pope, Clerk
p. 508 [Sale of property]
A List of Property belonging to William Ingle, Deceased, this 23rd Sept 1823
[List of buyers, items bought, and amount paid at estate sale]
P. Ingle - 1 Bead Head etc. $4.00
H. Ingle - 1 Axe 2.3
Ditto - 3 old ditto 1.12 ½
L Laurence - 1 How .80
Ditto - 3 old Hows 12 ½
N. Marders - 1 Sett Plow Irons .75
N. Ingle - 1 Log Chain 1.50
L. Laurence - 1 Pair Stretchers 1.80
H. Ingle - 1 Shovel plow Ceavis & Singletree 1.50
W. Taylor - 1 ditto do " " " 1.18 ¾
N. Ingle - 1 Saddle Bags & Reep Hook .6 ¼
L. Laurence - 1 Sett of Gears 1.40
J. Hite - 2 Blind Bridles 1.11 ¼
L. Laurence - 2 old Bridles .77 ½
N. Ingle - 1 Hand Saw 1.62 ½
W. Taylor - 2 Augers Drawing Knife etc. .50
N. Meart - 1 old Bridle .12 ½
H. Ingle - 1 lot old Iron .25
N. Meart - 1 Cooper's Howell & Weadge 1.00
N. Mardace - 10 ½ dou awl blaids .62 ½
L. Laurence - 1 lot shoe tools .75
H. Ingle - 1 Bible and 1 Book 1.37 ½
Ditto - 2 Books Songs .12 ½
Ditto - 1 Pocket Book .37 ½
N. Ingle - 2 Gimblets .25
Wm. Ingle Estate Sale, p. 508, continued
W. Ingle - 1 Raisor Case & Strop .42 ½
[J. or S.] Artaburn [Arterburn - 1 Horse fleams .18 ¾
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26.61
Amount Brought Over 26.50
W. Ingle - 1 Rife Gun Horn etc. 14.25
P. Ingle - 1 Loom 6.00
Ditto - 1 3 Slays [?Clays] 1.12 ½
N. Ingle - 1 old Saddle 4.00
p. 509
W. Ingle - 1 ditto ditto 2.37 ½
N. Ingle - 1 old keg .12 ½
N. Meare - 1 waggon & Hing gear 70.00
Ditto - 1 Sett hip strops .31
J. Hite - 1 Sythe and Cradle 1.56 ¼
H. Hawley - 1 Bay Horse 133.00
N. Ingle - 1 Gray Stalion Horse 136.00
L. Laurence - 1 Black and White Bull 16.12 ½
R. Wright - 1 White & read Steer 2.25
A. Taylor - 1 Ditto ditto ditto 5.37 ½
W. Williams - 1 Read Heafer 10.00
[J. or I.] Rudy - 1 White & read cow and calf 13.25
R. Wright - 1 Red Cow 7.25
B. Handcock - 1 White & Read Heafer 5.00
H. Ingle - 1 White & Read Yearling 1.25
J. Hite - 4 Sheep 7.00
J. Artabarn - 1 Pitcher & Bucket .50
H. Ingle - The crop of corn as it stands in the field 25.00
N. Marders - 1 wheel 2.00
L. Laurence - 18 Shoats 31.50
H. Ingle - 12 Shoats 12.00
_____ $533.74 ¾
I do certify the above is a true list of sale of property belonging to William Ingle dec'd as given under my hand. Jacob Hite
The foregoing sales were made by me as administrator of William Ingle deceased witness my hand the 8th Dec 1823. Henry Ingle
State of Kentucky - At a County Court held for Jefferson County in the State aforesaid at the Court house in Louisville on the 8th day of Dec 1823 the within and foregoing List of Sales of the estate of William Ingle dec'd was returned to said court and ordered to be recorded and is recorded. Test. Worden Pope Clerk           

2 comments:

  1. I came across a letter written in 1940 supporting your contention that Henry Payne, James Neeley, and William Howells Ingle are all sons of this William Ingle, and Winney D. is his daughter. I wonder, though, about the P. Ingle being Polly Chastain Ingle. Didn't she marry into the Ingle family several years after this estate sale? And William's daughter Mary (Polly) Ingle would have been only a young teenager at the time of the sale. Although the purchases by P. Ingle are more of a feminine persuasion...

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  2. This is a record of the sale of the property, not the settlement of the estate. Not all the participants are relatives. I see no reason to assume that the participating Ingles are necessarily heirs, simply that they are family living in proximity.

    Working on the Henry Payne Ingle portion of my wife's family, I found this from Kentucky Marriages, 1802-1850

    http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=try&db=eamky&h=59632
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    Name: Henry Sr. Engle
    Marriage Date: 15 Nov 1824
    Marriage Place: Perry, Kentucky, USA
    Spouse: Polly Webb
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    Assuming that Engle is Ingle, the reference to Senior (Sr.) implies a Junior. That would lead to Henry George Ingle being the father of Henry Payne Ingle. I think.

    William Howells and Polly Chastain did not marry until 1830, so this P Ingle cannot be Polly Chastain Ingle.This record of that marriage

    http://www.kykinfolk.com/henry/Marriages/BurnsI.htm
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    Name Name of Spouse Date
    Ingle, Henry Chastian, Elizabeth f. George 1824, Nov 29
    Ingle, Nealy Chastain, Susan f. George 1825, Feb 14
    Ingle, William F. Geo Chasteen, Polly mo Rebecca 1830, Jan 4
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    states that William's father is George (F. Geo).

    I believe that William Ingle is the father of Henry George and the grandfather of Henry Payne and William Howells. Nealy is still up for grabs.

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